"Christianity - Is it Egocentric?"

Egocentricity or the notion that the self is the center of all in one’s world is an argument some attempt to make against the validity of Christianity.  The criticism is presented by some to be a logical reason to discount if not abandon Christianity.  In the following few comments you will notice that again and again it is a matter of what one presupposes to be reality.

The Origin of the Standard

The first problem in the argument is in the field of values.  The premise underlying the argument is that egocentricity is wrong.  So that occasions a question.  “Wrong by whose standards?”  If it is some standard based upon one’s own morality, does that not say the individual postulating the argument is egocentric?  Then too, the secularist’s notion of the survival of the fittest is also based upon a very egocentric supposition about the origins of life.  Without any deep examination it seems that the underlying proposition, the assumptions necessary for the argument are in trouble. 

Egocentric Christianity is Impossible

In the ego-centric argument there is another problem.  Does it not seem a bit strange that it is offered at once as a central tenant of Christian belief and also as a reason to abandon it?  The idea being that if it is the ego need construct that makes Christianity function, would it not draw people to the construct, and yet it should be one of the reasons to abandon it.   Upon what presumption can the notion even be proposed?

However here we arrive at another problem with the assumption.  If such is a central tenant of Christian faith, it would be the only exception to the destructive nature of selfishness.  Selfishly egocentric and sociopathic people do not form the kinds of bonds that allow for groups to function.  Therefore the bonding and connection that characterizes true Christianity would not exist and the system would deconstruct into nothing but an historical movement.

Egocentric Christianity is Illogical

Okay assume for a moment that such egocentricity in Christianity is so.  Somehow the logic of the argument is lost as it seems that if one is egocentric and if Christianity is as represented such would only drive one deeper into the belief system.  Such would answer the mantra of the egocentric “What is in it for me?”  It would validate Christianity.  Problem is as previously noted, egocentricity works against the social fabric of a group or a culture.

Limited God View

Another issue in the argument is based in the notion that egocentric Christians pray but because God suffers under some anthropomorphic limitation or another any perceived answer is invalid.  It is speculated that God cannot possibly answer all of the prayers of these egocentric Christians.  The reality is that God is exponentially greater than any one man or group of men can possibly fathom.  Then take it a step further.  Add into the equation that the creation reflects the creator but is never greater than the creator!  Thus again the one who proposes this criticism has elevated himself to a very egocentric position.

To accept a limited view of God is to create a finite god that does not exist.  Then as in other arguments such is an attempt to use the limited god to prove that the infinite God does not exist.  Somehow the logic of the argument suffers under a problem—it is illogical.  It is tantamount to saying little green men do not exist so big white men can’t possibly exist.  The argument is illogical, flawed, and indefensible.

Misplace Egocentricity

However, there is another issue of egocentricity evident here.  How is it that the one who claims that there is no God can do so? 

The Universe:  Has such a person examined every inch of the universe, every one of the thousands upon thousands of solar-systems?  Has he looked into every subatomic particle throughout that universe? 

Dimensions:  Has such a person examined completely and thoroughly the four dimensions of which we know?  What about additional dimensions, the seven more that may exist (theoretical mathematicians/physicists are working on this one)?

Mathematics and Physics:  Has he examined every single mathematical probability and discovered it is far more likely that reality came by chance than by design.  Has such a person examined in intimate detail every truth paradigm and all of the attendant arguments? 

First Causes:  Maybe it is just that he has not shared his work in his discovery of first causes?  Does he know what led up to the “big bang” and scientifically validated his discovery?   Has he unlocked the key as to why evolution is the one and only exception to the multiplicity of systems which are unraveling into chaos and entropy?  Oh, let us not forget time.  Has such a person examined every moment of every second for as long as he postulates there has been time?

If someone makes such a claim without having done all of these investigations and more, has he not set himself up as an authority?  In that is he not demonstrating the very egocentricity that he decries and claims invalidates Christianity?  Therefore, if you accept the processes by which he validates his argument, then if you accept Christianity as invalid based upon egocentricity then he invalids his own argument!   

Lost Logic

Again, the logic of the argument is lost somewhere along the way but then that is not to be of any great surprise for it is those who value truth that require there to be sound logic.  It is the egocentric who claim special truth as in the argument against the veracity of Christianity.  Either tacitly or directly such special truth provides a license for such argument as is necessary and if sound logic is sacrificed for the sake of an argument that ultimately leads to chaos, so be it.

The De-anthropomorphize God

Of course there is another choice and that is to de-anthropomorphize God.  It is then possible to accept the existence and benevolent intervention of an infinite God in the affairs of mankind in general and a man in particular.  That makes some other impossibilities very possible. 

For example a limitless God can answer prayers for parking places and at the same time for miracles.  A limitless God can in fact have a plan for each and every man, woman, boy, and girl without disenfranchising others. 

A limitless God can take what appears to be catastrophic failure and weave it into the life of the victim and turn it to great good for that person and for others.  A limitless God can give victory when all seems lost.  It is possible to understand that such plans as God has for man and mankind are not ego-centric but altruistic.   So too the people who follow that God (e.g. genuine Christians) are also not egocentric but altruistic.

Background

To see the list of subjects to be discussed in this series see blog (Christianity – Is it a Faith Driven by Fear?) in that blog is a reference and in that reference is a list which is the springboard from which this subject has been discussed.

Bill Nye Science Guy—Really?

Recently Bill Nye the Science Guy made the comment that "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children." He proposes that the next generation must be raised as evolutionists or they would be lost to science and thus culture would lose out. His comments may be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbYJfwFgOU

 So here are a few question for Bill Nye the nice guy Science Guy.

Bill Nye

 Creationists are largely made up of those of Judeo-Christian faith.  That being so let us assume for the moment that you are right.  Let us consider all of the good that has been done by the secular evolutionist.

Was it the evolutionist that with deep conviction sought to abolish slavery?

Was it the evolutionist that started hospice which then lead to hospitals, hotels and motels, and yes, hospice today?

Was it the evolutionist that started humanitarian aid organizations like the American Red Cross, World Vision, St Vincent de Paul, and the Salvation Army?

Was it the evolutionist that began such academic institutions as Oxford, Cambridge, Yale, Harvard, and many, many others?

Was it the evolutionist that gave to us a country built upon the ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Was it the evolutionist that gave to us such science as the study of genetics?

Was it the evolutionist that gave to us such great music as Handel and Bach?

Was it the evolutionist that started and led the American Civil Rights Movement?

Was it the evolutionist that went to the Pacific islands and worked among the lepers?

Was it the evolutionist that gave us great literature such as Shakespeare?

Was it the evolutionist that gave us laws that protect the innocent and punish the guilty?

Now Bill, if you apply your scientific methods to these questions you will find that it was people of Judaism and Christianity that did these things.  There is not one objection you raise that cannot be answered by the Creationists.

For example, who is to say that God did not create the stars and as well the light radiating from those stars so that man might observe them though they are billions of light years away?

Was it the evolutionist that originated not a changing theory (which it is since it has to flex and change to be compatible when true science proves it wrong as it has) but an immutable law?  Such sound beliefs that they have not changed since Darwin wrote?  No, Darwin did not include billions and billions and billions of years in his theory.  That had to be added later when his basic ideas were found to be flawed and untenable!

Oh, let me ask you another question.  Were you there to observe evolution?  Have you seen it in action?  Of the 50,000 fossils or more that we have cataloged, where are the intermediary life forms?   

Here is another one.  What about man’s capacity to make informed choices, why have not other lower life forms evolved to do that?  Why is it that man alone has the capacity to make decisions with the outcomes in mind?

Then there is that matter of love which is not at all compatible with the notion of survival of the fittest.

Another question.  If all animals evolved as you say they did, then why are eye structures fundamentally the same in all species?

Oh, and is not all creation (nature to you) winding down to entropy (heat death)?  Now you want me to believe that evolution is the exception?  

But here is a much greater and more important questions for you Bill Nye.  What has been the effect of evolution?  What has been the effect of leaving God out of the equation?  What has been the effect of secularism—this notion that there is no higher power to which one is going to give an account?

When the 10 Commandments were posted and prayer offered in schools those things served to remind students that there is a God to whom one is accountable, how many school shootings were there?  How many drug deaths?  How many unwed high school moms did we have? 

Bill would you like another one?  Try this one.  The effect upon the world of the secular evolutionist.  How many of the following were people of faith in God?

Adolf Hitler and WWII – Somewhere between 50 and 70 million dead.  Six million Jews exterminated.

Mao Ze Dong – 49 to 78 million dead

Stalin – 6 million some estimates are 20 million dead

Pol Pot – 1.75 to 2 million dead

Kim II Sung – 1.6 million dead

These are but a few from the site http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

What about the creationist and the use of Biological and Chemical weapons?  Just was it the evolutionist or the creationist that made and employed those things?

You are concerned that Creationists cannot do good science.  Further, you are concerned that those coming up behind must be freed by evolution and its companion secularism or the next generation of scientists will be lost.

You should be more concerned with something else.  You see Bill Nye Science Guy, those kids will be the ones who live their lives unrestrained and unaccountable and will become the Adolf Hitlers, the Cyber terrorists, the Pol Pots, the school shooters, and the drug dealers etc.

Understand this one thing.  Without the God effect, 

There is a way which seems right to a man,

But its end is the way of death. (Proverbs 14:12)

The way of death is not just for the person for the death of one effects the many.

The genuine reality, the real deal truth is that Judeo-Christian faith has been in existence much longer, is much more durable, and has in greater measure benefited the world than anything the secular evolutionist can offer!

Bill Nye, Science guy, I am sure that you are a nice man but sorry, you are wrong!  The harsh truth is that any system to include man, left alone will not evolve but will devolve to chaos and eventually entropy.